Thank you for this! It’s a realization we don’t often ponder - that suffering might have value. That being tested or tormented or tried at any point in our lives could ever bring us to a place of meaning and put us in a position to help others. It’s a tough thing to see yourself change and evolve - especially from a bad place. I think we always question the authenticity of it - the reality or longevity of it. Like…can I really become this better version of myself? If I see myself improving, can I continue long enough to actually be that person or is it all a sham? An aspiration that will surely implode on itself, leaving me buried deeper in the wreckage I tried to pull myself out of.
Right now, I’m trying to find meaning in my family and also trying to ignore any anxieties around negative events that could someday take me away from them. I’m also trying to let my life flow instead of force-fitting it into the mold I’ve spent my whole life pouring into. It’s one step forward, two steps back. I make a move, I question it. I step back long enough for everything to go quiet. Then I take another step. Someday, I’ll get to where I’m going.
I love the reframing of suffering as a source of growth, depth, and transformation. I often think of this through a physics lens. Pressure alone doesn't create propulsion. It's the release of that pressure that generates movement. There's something really powerful here about transmutation, suffering not just being endured, but transformed into something that moves us forward.
“Do not pity the dead, Harry. Pity the living and, above all, those who live without love.” (the spirit of school headmaster Albus Dumbledore in ‘Harry Potter and the Deathly Hallows: Part 2’).
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I read Sigmund Freud postulated that, regardless of one’s mental health and relative happiness or existential contentment, the ultimate goal of our brain/mind is death’s bliss because of the general stressful nature of our physical existence, i.e. anxiety or “stimuli”. It’s important to clarify, however, that it’s not brain death per se that is the aim but rather the kind of absolute peace that only brain death can offer in this hectic, emotionally turbulent world.
From my understanding, even Buddhism [or is it Zen Buddhism?], which in large part is the positive belief in reincarnation, acknowledges that life generally is suffering or hardship interspersed with far fewer instances of genuine happiness.
Among other things, I cannot recall much of my half-century-plus life, and almost nothing positive, probably because I spend my ‘present’ anxious about my future and depressed over my past. ... It would be great if some valuable academic or clinical use could come from it — to create or extract from it some practical positivity and purpose — a.k.a. 'meaning' — so that all of the pain will not have been in vain.
Bravo! I love hearing and reading Arthur Brooks, and I am so glad that he's back on Soul Boom. Since you ask, the way I am discovering the meaning of my life is looking back over the endless hodgepodge of passions and dead ends and finding the commonalities. I love finding beauty in the world around me, even in the most seemingly insignificant things.
I love to be of service. I love to make people laugh. I love finding a way that my skills and talent can be used to fill a genuine need. It's clear that I will never be famous, for one thing, and that I will probably never do anything really big, but I am finding that completing a series of small things that make a positive difference can add up to something that really matters. What troubles me is that I get distracted by things that simply do not matter, and as I am nearing 80, time may be running out. Still, I am learning to be kind to myself, to give myself space, and to keep on looking.
The tension between ancient and market gold isn't just an economic debate; it’s a collision between two different ways of perceiving reality: the Quantitative and the Qualitative.
When we look at this through a philosophical and spiritual lens, we see a struggle between the "Eternal" and the "Exchangeable."
1. The Ontology of the Object
* The Market Gold (The Materialist View): In a purely market-driven world, gold is reduced to its atomic number. It is fined down, stripped of its form, and turned into a number on a screen. Spiritually, this represents a state of "unbecoming"—where the individual history of an object is erased to make it useful for mass consumption. It is the philosophy of the Blank Slate.
* The Ancient Gold (The Teleological View): The ancient artifact suggests that matter has a "purpose" or a "soul" imprinted by human contact. A gold coin from a lost empire carries the intent of the ruler and the touch of the merchant. It possesses what philosopher Walter Benjamin called "Aura"—a unique existence in time and space.
2. The Spiritual Dimension of Alchemy
Historically, alchemy wasn't just about getting rich; it was about the transmutation of the soul.
* Market Gold represents the end of the alchemical process—perfection, purity, and uniformity. But in its perfection, it is sterile. It has nowhere left to go.
* Ancient Gold represents the journey. Its "impurities" and its "scars" (scratches, wear, and patina) are the evidence of its life in the world. Spiritually, this mirrors the human condition: we are valued not for our "pure" potential, but for the specific, weathered narrative of our lived experiences.
3. Time: Linear vs. Cyclical
* Linear/Market Time: Market gold exists in a world of "Now." Its value is recalculated every second. It is the ultimate symbol of Temporality—it is always being traded away for something else.
* Cyclical/Eternal Time: Ancient gold functions as an Anchor. It has survived the collapse of the systems that created it. There is a profound spiritual comfort in the artifact because it suggests that something of "Value" can survive the death of the "System." It represents Permanence in a world of flux.
Cogency Check
The logic transitions here from Economics (what is it worth?) to Metaphysics (what does it mean?). The "tension" exists because we live in both worlds. We need market gold to survive the day-to-day (Utility), but we crave ancient gold to feel connected to the "Long Now" (Meaning). To value ancient gold over market gold is to argue that Meaning outstrips Utility.
Does this philosophical shift lean more toward the idea of Individualism (the unique artifact) versus Collectivism (the fungible commodity) for you?
Thank you for this! It’s a realization we don’t often ponder - that suffering might have value. That being tested or tormented or tried at any point in our lives could ever bring us to a place of meaning and put us in a position to help others. It’s a tough thing to see yourself change and evolve - especially from a bad place. I think we always question the authenticity of it - the reality or longevity of it. Like…can I really become this better version of myself? If I see myself improving, can I continue long enough to actually be that person or is it all a sham? An aspiration that will surely implode on itself, leaving me buried deeper in the wreckage I tried to pull myself out of.
Right now, I’m trying to find meaning in my family and also trying to ignore any anxieties around negative events that could someday take me away from them. I’m also trying to let my life flow instead of force-fitting it into the mold I’ve spent my whole life pouring into. It’s one step forward, two steps back. I make a move, I question it. I step back long enough for everything to go quiet. Then I take another step. Someday, I’ll get to where I’m going.
Really appreciate hearing how you are moving through all this. Life is always a work in progress.
I love the reframing of suffering as a source of growth, depth, and transformation. I often think of this through a physics lens. Pressure alone doesn't create propulsion. It's the release of that pressure that generates movement. There's something really powerful here about transmutation, suffering not just being endured, but transformed into something that moves us forward.
Well said. Alchemy!
“Do not pity the dead, Harry. Pity the living and, above all, those who live without love.” (the spirit of school headmaster Albus Dumbledore in ‘Harry Potter and the Deathly Hallows: Part 2’).
.
I read Sigmund Freud postulated that, regardless of one’s mental health and relative happiness or existential contentment, the ultimate goal of our brain/mind is death’s bliss because of the general stressful nature of our physical existence, i.e. anxiety or “stimuli”. It’s important to clarify, however, that it’s not brain death per se that is the aim but rather the kind of absolute peace that only brain death can offer in this hectic, emotionally turbulent world.
From my understanding, even Buddhism [or is it Zen Buddhism?], which in large part is the positive belief in reincarnation, acknowledges that life generally is suffering or hardship interspersed with far fewer instances of genuine happiness.
Among other things, I cannot recall much of my half-century-plus life, and almost nothing positive, probably because I spend my ‘present’ anxious about my future and depressed over my past. ... It would be great if some valuable academic or clinical use could come from it — to create or extract from it some practical positivity and purpose — a.k.a. 'meaning' — so that all of the pain will not have been in vain.
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Bravo! I love hearing and reading Arthur Brooks, and I am so glad that he's back on Soul Boom. Since you ask, the way I am discovering the meaning of my life is looking back over the endless hodgepodge of passions and dead ends and finding the commonalities. I love finding beauty in the world around me, even in the most seemingly insignificant things.
I love to be of service. I love to make people laugh. I love finding a way that my skills and talent can be used to fill a genuine need. It's clear that I will never be famous, for one thing, and that I will probably never do anything really big, but I am finding that completing a series of small things that make a positive difference can add up to something that really matters. What troubles me is that I get distracted by things that simply do not matter, and as I am nearing 80, time may be running out. Still, I am learning to be kind to myself, to give myself space, and to keep on looking.
The tension between ancient and market gold isn't just an economic debate; it’s a collision between two different ways of perceiving reality: the Quantitative and the Qualitative.
When we look at this through a philosophical and spiritual lens, we see a struggle between the "Eternal" and the "Exchangeable."
1. The Ontology of the Object
* The Market Gold (The Materialist View): In a purely market-driven world, gold is reduced to its atomic number. It is fined down, stripped of its form, and turned into a number on a screen. Spiritually, this represents a state of "unbecoming"—where the individual history of an object is erased to make it useful for mass consumption. It is the philosophy of the Blank Slate.
* The Ancient Gold (The Teleological View): The ancient artifact suggests that matter has a "purpose" or a "soul" imprinted by human contact. A gold coin from a lost empire carries the intent of the ruler and the touch of the merchant. It possesses what philosopher Walter Benjamin called "Aura"—a unique existence in time and space.
2. The Spiritual Dimension of Alchemy
Historically, alchemy wasn't just about getting rich; it was about the transmutation of the soul.
* Market Gold represents the end of the alchemical process—perfection, purity, and uniformity. But in its perfection, it is sterile. It has nowhere left to go.
* Ancient Gold represents the journey. Its "impurities" and its "scars" (scratches, wear, and patina) are the evidence of its life in the world. Spiritually, this mirrors the human condition: we are valued not for our "pure" potential, but for the specific, weathered narrative of our lived experiences.
3. Time: Linear vs. Cyclical
* Linear/Market Time: Market gold exists in a world of "Now." Its value is recalculated every second. It is the ultimate symbol of Temporality—it is always being traded away for something else.
* Cyclical/Eternal Time: Ancient gold functions as an Anchor. It has survived the collapse of the systems that created it. There is a profound spiritual comfort in the artifact because it suggests that something of "Value" can survive the death of the "System." It represents Permanence in a world of flux.
Cogency Check
The logic transitions here from Economics (what is it worth?) to Metaphysics (what does it mean?). The "tension" exists because we live in both worlds. We need market gold to survive the day-to-day (Utility), but we crave ancient gold to feel connected to the "Long Now" (Meaning). To value ancient gold over market gold is to argue that Meaning outstrips Utility.
Does this philosophical shift lean more toward the idea of Individualism (the unique artifact) versus Collectivism (the fungible commodity) for you?